The Beginning of the End of the Beginning

I am sad (and relieved) to announce that ICAN of Greater Missoula is officially closed.  I really don’t understand why it wasn’t sustainable in this community.  Here are a couple of thoughts . . .

1.  The homebirthers and homebirth midwives are doing their part for sure, but unless you know someone personally who has birthed at home or who has used a midwife or is a midwife, you just won’t know much about how that works here in the greater Missoula area.

2.  The traditional birth culture prescribed by the medical community does not want to change.  Sure they built a “birth center” at the hospital, but all that really means is that women now have private bathrooms, tubs (I wonder if women are even allowed to use them?), and nicer accommodations.  I don’t think anything has fundamentally changed to make birthing healthier for women and babies at our hospital.  If I’m wrong, I’m happy to update this post at any time.  Our docs participate in a town-wide on call group.  What this means is that if you don’t birth your baby during office hours or during your doctor’s on call duty, you’re not likely to have your doctor help you birth your baby.  There are a few doctors that this does not apply to, and the key is to be with one of them.  Our medical community “killed” the birth center established by Dr. Montgomery, but kudos to Jeanne Hebl, CNM for establishing a successful homey birth center after Dr. Montgomery’s untimely death.  By November 15, 2011 Hebl’s birth center had assisted with 100 births.

3.  Women (families) in this town don’t know that they are “allowed” to have an opinion about birth much less how to have the birth experience that best suits their needs and wishes.  This is where I feel like I failed.  For example, when I was planning my HBA2C I ran into an acquaintance whose wife was getting ready for her 3rd cesarean.  They were told they weren’t allowed to do a VBA2C in Missoula.  I didn’t birth my baby at home, much to my surprise and chagrin, but I did have a most unlikely and uncommon VBA2C at the local hospital with a very good OB who did his best to scare the shit out of me during my appointments.  However, when push came to shove (literally) – HE WAS THERE.

Support for women and families in this community will always be there.  I hope families continue to seek out the best birth experiences that fit their needs and their dreams.  I will continue to offer support when and where I can.  And VBAC/CBAC support in Missoula does have a Facebook presence.  Click here to reach our page.

Here’s a recent picture of my amazing VBA2C baby:

My precious VBA2C baby at age 23 months

Not sure how I feel about Maryland

I just read a press release from Maryland’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. First, how strange is that term . . . mental hygiene . . . MENTAL hygiene?

Anyway, on the one hand I am glad that steps are in place to give women access to home birth. And if physicians and CNMs will actually attend these home births, then it’s possible that insurance will cover these births. Hooray!

However, I don’t believe that a physician or CNM is necessary for a great outcome at home. A trained midwife, CPM or otherwise, should be just as capable of handing low and lower risk births at home.

Furthermore, many women who fall outside of the definition of low risk will have better birth experiences outside the confines of a hospital. Typically, physicians and CNMs are not able to provide homebirth services to these women and their babies. I don’t recommend limiting their ability to find qualified providers who will attend them at home. I hope this board will use better mental hygiene and reconsider their ban on lay midwifery.

Birth snapshot: Two weeks ago today…

Two weeks ago today I was utterly hopeless.  By 1pm I had lost my midwife and pissed off the only medpro that was ‘in charge’ of me.

Two weeks ago today and at this time I should have been getting prepped for a repeat cesarean.  Instead, we called the hospital that morning and called the OB’s office to cancel that surgery.  We felt the surgery was at best premature but more than likely completely unnecessary and scheduled out of medico-legal fear.  The only reason I allowed the scheduling of that surgery was because I didn’t think I’d still be pregnant at 41 weeks and 4 days and didn’t plan on needing an obstetrician anyway!

Two weeks ago today and by this time of day, my husband had called my midwife.  He thought her suggestion to just show up at the hospital on that day (with relatively no labor signs) just to appease the doctor was quite strange.  Little did we know that she no longer felt comfortable helping us at home.  Thank God my husband was able to pull that out of her.  So . . . by this time of day I was that patient who goes against medical advice (AMA) and cancels a scheduled surgery and doesn’t check back in with the OB and doesn’t show up at the hospital during business hours.  And my midwife abandoned me when I needed her and expected her the most.

Two weeks ago today and an hour from now, I took a 2.5oz dose of castor oil that did nothing but make me feel sick to my stomach.  We started getting ready to go to the hospital.  I had no idea what you put in a hospital bag . . . couldn’t remember.  I tried to rest but was restless; tried to sleep but was too wired.  Sleep was way to passive for me at the time – I had walked a big blister onto the bottom of my foot; I had bounced on the ball; I had squatted.  I researched ways to help get my baby better positioned if and when contractions resumed.  I researched post-41-week birth outcomes.  I looked and looked for any justification for a pre-42-week cesarean.  I looked and looked for evidence that stillbirth rates doubled at this point in a healthy pregnancy.

Two weeks ago today . . . by 1:02pm, I had no faith in myself.  I had no faith in my birth community.  I had no faith in my care providers.  And yet I had so much . . . an amazingly supportive husband, my in-laws who dropped their plans and raced up her from Denver to take care of us, my 3 sweet girls, and my cozy happy healthy baby in utero.  Why did it have to be such a hopeless day?

Blog it out: 38 week OB appointment

As I get ready for my 38 week OB appointment tomorrow, I feel the need to just ‘blog it out.’  Ya know . . . as a way to relieve some tension and stress from last week’s appointment.  I’m maintaining ‘shadow care’ with the only OB I know in town who would ‘tolerate’ babysitting an ill-advised VBA2C in the hospital.  Only thing – I’m not planning on going to the hospital.  However, I’ve been encouraged to keep up this disingenuous relationship just in case I do need to transfer during or following the birth.

I blogged last week about his ridiculous statement that “short, Mexican women” have the best births.  Here are some of his other de-motivating tactics:

Sketch by American artist, Ben Murphy

  • “So . . . we still doing this?”  He likes to begin my appointments with this rhetorical question.  He knows the answer, but yet, he continues to ask.
  • “You’re not gaining weight but you have a BIG BABY.”  Such bullshit.  He doesn’t share my fundal measurements with me, but I know I have been and continue to measure ‘right on’ each week.
  • “When you have a bad outcome, ________.”  He’s filled in the blank with a variety of scary things.
  • “When you need a cesarean, you can’t freak out on me.”  I told him that was way too much for him to expect.
  • I have to have a perfect Friedman’s labor.
  • CEFM, IV, yada yada.  Ok, whatever.  I’ll agree to the monitoring assuming they have telemetry.  I’ll consent to heplock but not an active IV.
  • As soon as I’m in labor, I’m to go directly to L&D.  (Yeah, right, doc.  I’ll do that.)
  • I asked him why my rupture risk is increased since they went through the old cesarean scar.  His response: “Because it just is.”  My response: “Come on, you know that’s not a good enough answer for me!”
  • When I told him that I gestate longer than 40 weeks, he said “that’s bad!”
  • Doesn’t believe vaginal delivery is best for healthy babies (?!?!?!?!!!!!)
  • Places VBAC in the “want” not need category, though he seems to understand that I have my reasons
  • Doesn’t seem to believe that the pelvis expands during pregnancy and birth?  The only way to get more room would be to break my pelvis (not that he was suggesting that route).  Does he not ‘get’ the physiology of birth?  Does he not understand the role of hormones in preparing the body to birth??
  • Seems to consider 37 weeks as term . . . not early term as I suggested.  (A newly released NIH study asserts that babies born in the 37th and 38th weeks are more likely to die before age 1 than babies born in the 39th and 40th weeks.)
  • “You know I’d prefer not to do this.”  In response to my objections over having him and an anesthesiologist breathing down my neck during my entire labor and birth.  Which is a mis-representation anyway of what would actually happen.  If I’m in labor during the day, he can continue seeing his patients.  If I’m in labor at night, he’s welcome to go sleep somewhere in the hospital or at his office.  And our hospital has 24-hr anesthesia immediately available, so he shouldn’t be guilting me about an anesthesiologist having to be there for my labor.  If a hospital isn’t safe for a VBAC . . . . it’s not safe for any birth.

Wow, when I write all of that down, I just get angry.  I’m going to crawl under the covers with my Hypnobabies tracks, strengthen my bubble of peace, work on fear cleansing, listen to my pregnancy affirmations, and call it a day.  My husband will go with me tomorrow to my appointment, so I imagine it will be uneventful.  I have a mind to bring in my “birth preferences” just to see how the doc would react, but really . . . is it worth it?  Probably not.  At this point, I’m no longer interested in his opinion because he continues to skew the ‘truth.’  I don’t want to argue about laboring in water or delayed cord clamping or any of it.

Point is – I’m not going to the hospital to have this baby unless the need arises before, during, or after the birth.  I fully recognize that at any point between now and my birthing time, that I may need hospital services.  My husband and I will decide if we agree with recommendations to abort our homebirth plans.  Otherwise, I’m not planning on needing the hospital or an obstetrician.  So the last thing I want to do tomorrow morning is have an off-putting, destabilizing, stress-inducing discussion with someone who begrudgingly is putting up with my wingnut idea to have a natural birth but very vocal about what all “will” go wrong.

You can read my last pregnancy update (34 weeks) here.

Pissed! but Accepting?

Wednesday was a banner shite day.  My midwife had been encouraging me to maintain a relationship with an OB, and I knew this necessitated a change.  Friends and L&D nurses urged me to try this one doc, Dr. A (we shall call him), stating that if anyone was going to give me a chance at VBA2C, it would be him.

So, I naively went to my 9:50am interview/appointment with Dr. A.  I was nervous – didn’t really sleep the night before – but hopeful.  The staff was very nice; the nurse was nice.  (I had previously talked with her.)  I had previously met this doc, so at least I wasn’t worried about that.

He was interested to know why I was there since obviously I had been seeing another OB for the 1st three-quarters of my pregnancy.  I told him I had 4 reasons:

  1. I am very motivated for a VBA2C

He interrupts . . . “Don’t do it.”  Shaking head.  Patronizing tone.

I cry.

The rest of the appointment was him trying to scare me out of it, and by the time I told him I’d been diagnosed with a thin lower uterine segment (LUS) during the RCS, he was certain that I am a nut.  Actually, he recognized that I had done a lot of thinking and researching, but he didn’t think I had given enough thought to permanent damage to the baby and permanent damage to me.  (Like, DUH!  What else have I been thinking about the past 7 months.  FFS!!!!!!!)

What was scary is that he’s familiar with the same research I’ve studied.  He mentioned the Cochrane library.  He refuted the opinion of the NIH VBAC Consensus Panel (because most of them don’t deliver babies).  The research doesn’t point to maternal death from uterine rupture but he’s seen it.  Fetal demise begins within 8 minutes of the onset of bradycardia associated with rupture which is too short a time to get a cesarean performed.  Yada yada.

Terrifying.  And I’ve done my research.  I’ve been researching this since 2007.  I have a PhD.  I have fantastic research and analytical skills.  And I was still terrified.  And I still doubted myself, my support system, everything.  And I resented my baby.

And I freaked the hell out.  Couldn’t go to work. 

So, you probably see the “pissed” part.

Here’s the “accepting” part.

Of course he’s going to do “his job” and dissuade me from VBA2C.  In his experience, it’s too  risky to justify.  He’s not going to understand why I disagree.  I’ll never be able to “educate” him here either.  When I don’t rupture and have this baby at home without incident, he’ll assume I got lucky.  I accept that he views birth with a completely different lense.

However, he’s agreed to take me and said he won’t drop me either even if I go forward with the VBAC.  He’d rather babysit me through this poor choice than turn me away.  I’ll have to sign an AMA (against medical advice) waiver just to cover his butt.  Fine; whatever.  So, for now . . . I’m planning to continue my concurrent care with him.  If it becomes a regular thing for him to try and terrorize me, then I’ll drop him.

Although he really shook me to the core on Wednesday, thanks to the amazing support of ICAN and Birth After Cesarean, I’m back on track and actually feeling more solid about my birth plans.  I just don’t “see” the hospital figuring into this experience.  Perhaps God or my baby or some 6th sense will change things, but for now, I’m back to planning a peaceful birth at home.

Day 2 Pt 1 Impactful ICAN Conference Tweets

The working subtitle of this post is . . . you can lead an OB to the table, but can you keep him/her from cutting??

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Here are some of my favorite tweets from the Saturday morning sessions.  (And as I look at the 300+ conference tweets paused in twitterfall this morning, the day after, I realize there may not be a part 2 . . . kind of like History of the World!)

Disclaimer: Since I collated these posts from a public feed reader, I have not asked permission to repost them.  OPs may request their tweets be removed and are welcomed to clarify their tweets in the comments section.)

Regarding breech:

BirthingKristen “Women should have the right, the support, and the resources to choose their own set of risks.” #vaginalbreech #ICAN2011
I do believe this, but gee, it’s hard to achieve especially when you involve birth attendants, regulations, insurance, hospitals, even birth centers, etc.  I’m afraid to say that the fact is that women will never fully have the right to choose their own set of risks unless they birth on their own.

DeepSouthDoula Vaginal breech birth is in our reach but it’s up to the parents to make it happen. Like the parents who walked out 1 hour prior. #ICAN2011
Again, somewhat idealistic.  In my case, I knew I’d be trying to fight my provider’s malpractice insurance . . . me . . . alone.  I’m not saying there aren’t things we can’t and shouldn’t do, but realistically many, if not most, families are not going to fight the system one hour before giving birth.  And they shouldn’t be made to feel like failures because they didn’t fight this overwhelming machine.

ShannonMitchell GT: breech birth is a part of the traditions midwifery #ican2011 #breech
Yes it is.  Isn’t it a shame that it’s often not in the current scope of practice for traditional midwifery?

DoulaMari: “Mama loves you enough to have you at home even though you were breech!” #ican2011
This just hurts my feelings.  I know the statement had nothing to do with me or my choice to consent to a CBAC for double footling breech twins and that it’s excerpted from an emotionally powerful experience, but it still cuts like a knife.  Actually, it feels like a repetitive cut to the same wound that refuses to heal.

drpoppyBHRT When docs tell midwives, “you can’t do that” is it really because THEY can’t do that? #vaginalbreech #normalbirthignorance #ICAN2011
Nice.  Yes, I think a lot of the time it does mean that.  They haven’t been trained to trust the body’s wisdom; they’ve been trained to search for pathology and treat that pathology.  Even the NIH VBAC consensus report indicates that younger doctors may be more resistant to VBACs because they were trained during a time when VBAC was (is) so highly contentious.

heathertom Tully: the question may be Is the attendant safe? #ICAN2011 #vaginalbreech
Absolutely.  I personally would be more afraid to show up at the hospital pushing out a breech baby if I didn’t know that the doctor on the receiving end was experienced with breech.  In fact, I’m of the opinion that in my community it may be irresponsible to show up at my hospital with a vaginal breech.  It hasn’t been part of the local practice – obstetrics or midwifery – for more than 10 years.

poderyparto Breech: 80% no intervention needed at all, 20% need maneuvering. #CAM2011 #ICAN2011
In other words . . . HANDS OFF THE BREECH!

drpoppyBHRT OBs in Germany and Israel are working to unite midwives and OBs to increase vaginal breech birth. I love that! #kneechest #ICAN2011
This is wonderful to know.  We should be pointing to these case studies every chance we get.  This will help us as we advocate for evidence-based care.

Other awesome tweets: (before I fell off the wagon)

drpoppyBHRT: Midwives told to stop doing #VBACs, they responded “when you stop doing cesareans.” Gail Tully #ICAN2011
AWE.SOME.

MamaBear1326 Why am I lucky enough to live where I achieved a vba2c and some people dont have that option #breaksmyheart #ican2011
Many women don’t feel they have the option to birth their babies.  This is so sad.  The fact is that women have fundamental rights.  No one can force you to consent to a surgery.  And even ACOG’s 2005 committee opinion supports protecting these rights:

Efforts to use the legal system to protect the fetus by constraining pregnant women’s decision making or punishing them erode a woman’s basic rights to privacy and bodily integrity and are not justified.”  (via birthaftercesarean)

Unnecesarean Dr. Poppy Daniels: “Women who really want a vaginal birth can go to extremes to get it.” (No kidding) #ICAN2011
And we will.

ICANofAtlanta How many ob-gyns have not read the latest ACOG practice bulletin on VBAC, not to mention the NIH consensus? #ican2011 #hcsm @drpoppybhrt
. . . and won’t acknowledge that local practice should change to reflect the bulletin and NIH findings.  This is why I’m sending letters to all local OBs.  I’m done with their fear mongering and lies.

RobinPregnancy T-shirt spotted: Keep your politics out of my vagina on @shannonmitchell #ican2011
Nearly snorted my coffee when I read this.  And I want one.

mollytoba I keep hearing about better integration of midwifery and OBGYN care. Who is actually doing this? Any successful models? #ICAN2011
Someone did respond to this, but I can’t find the tweet.  She mentioned some place in LA (which I can’t remember if refers to Louisiana or Los Angeles!).  But that was the only ‘successful model’ response I read.

DeepSouthDoula Exploring birth trauma in mamas AND with birth professionals. What we witness can be traumatic for us too. #ICAN2011
I may have to dedicate a post to this.  Birth professionals who experience trauma need to be treated!!!  Please refrain from bringing your trauma into future births.

babydickey “I’m not a uterus walking into an operating room.” I’m a pregnant woman with a family. #ICAN2011
<le sigh>

blairlovesjason Glad @drpoppybhrt discusses the harm in shows like Deliver Me, A Baby Story, etc. Means a lot coming from a professional. #ican2011
Totally!  I didn’t know any better and was watching these shows in 2004 when I was pregnant with DD1.  It made me afraid of the cesarean, but it didn’t do anything to help me (or encourage) me to prevent it.  It was like watching a car wreck in progress, over and over and over again.  Dammit, and then I wrecked my ‘car.’

ShannonMitchell Acnm says they are working on revised vbac statement addressing “immediately available” #birthaction #ican2011
Very good news.  The ACNM needs to step up and not hide behind ‘big brother.’

babydickey Midwives Alliance of North America (MANA) has a c-section rate of 5.03%. YEA! #ICAN2011
I trust this to be true, but it would be so helpful if MANA would release the data.  People want to see it.  I want to see it.  MANA hold plenty of statistics that to my knowledge are not publicly accessible.  It’s a shame.

mollytoba Ida Darreagh of NARM: the safest place for a woman to give birth is where she feels strong, supported and capable. #ICAN2011
Absolutely.  This is why I try to be super careful when talking with mamas who have different ideas about where to birth.  Everyone should feel safe giving birth.  It doesn’t ensure a perfect outcome, but it’s still important to respect one another’s decisions.

DeepSouthDoula Don’t feed the trolls! Seriously not worth it. As @unmarketing says – you are not the jackass whisperer. #ICAN2011 AND seeKJtweet Ok who said Beetlejuice? #ICAN2011
Oh my.  There is a persistent non-practicing OB with too much time on her hands who just hates natural birth advocacy.  She has quite a cult following.  I used to go to her blogs thinking there was something possibly to learn there . . . but it’s just so polemic that I realized I was wasting my time and scaring myself in the process.

RobinPregnancy Every state needs to look at the safe transport bill for home births. #ican2011
And where do I go to find that?  Over to Google.  Searched [“home birth” “safe transport” legislation] which didn’t come up with much.  But I did find that a bill is working its way through the Illinois General Assembly.  Have a look!  I found this as a result of reading this action alert from the Chicago-area homebirth meet-up group.

Impactful Tweets (pt 3) ICAN 2011 Conference

I tried to catch as much of the Henci Goer chatter on twitter as I could tonight.  We have a full house tonight (our 3 plus 2 neighbor kids spending the night, oy!) so I’m playing with less than a full deck.  Ha!

Disclaimer: Since I read these tweets on a public hashtag channel, I’m not asking permission to repost.  If anyone wants their tweet removed or wants to clarify a tweet, please let me know.

anderzoid #ICAN2011 henci goer: how much we have over medicalized birth? IV drip- not allowed to eat or drink – induction- cord clamping- etc
I assume this was a slide of the topics used to justify the point that birth is over medicalized.  My previous research leads me to concur that these are some of the ‘biggies.’

poderyparto Ineffective & harmful practices: sonograms to estimate fetal weight, planned cesarean for breech,not supported by research. #ICAN2011
Ultrasound is such a poor diagnostic tool for assessing fetal weight in the 3rd trimester.  I can’t recall exactly ‘when’ ultrasound is more accurate for predicting due ‘dates,’ but it’s very early on – I’m thinking 8-12 weeks gestation, but don’t quote me on that.  Only one mom out of the many I know personally that were told they were going to have a big baby actually did have a big baby.  Friends and family members who have had 3rd trimester estimates done with specialists have birthed babies 2 pounds lighter than predicted!!!!  Regarding the no-questions-asked cesarean for breech – a flawed Canadian study is what dictates current US practice.  Thank goodness Canada is taking the lead to restore breech as a version of normal.

bbybirthingmama Scheduling a section for breech, twins, “big baby” and slow labor are not supported by research! #ICAN2011
I was sad to discover that 75% of twins in Montana are born by cesarean.  I imagine all breeches are born by cesarean except for the rare surprise breech or unattended breech births.  Many docs aren’t ‘allowed’ by their insurance companies to deliver breeches naturally – how convenient for them.  Slow labor – yeah!  Most women just DON’T dilate 1cm/hr.  I REPEAT – MOST WOMEN AREN’T GONNA DILATE ACCORDING TO FRIEDMAN’S CURVE.

tconsciousdoula The way to get a VBAC? Tell the Dr you are planning on having 10 children! #ican2011
Now that’s a good one.  I’ll have to add that one to my list!

babydickey: Perinatal death from csec scar uterine rupture is 6 in 10,000. But did you know pregnancy loss from amniocentesis is 60 in 10,000? #ICAN2011 AND Unnecesarean 6% of scar ruptures—> perinatal death (3 per 10,000). Compare to excess risk of pregnancy loss from amniocentesis… 60 per 10,000. #ICAN2011
Here’s what was stated in the NIH VBAC Report: “Approximately 6 percent of uterine ruptures will result in perinatal death. This is an overall risk of intrapartum fetal death of 20 per 100,000 women undergoing trial of labor. For term pregnancies, the reported risk of fetal death with uterine rupture is less than 3 percent.”

tconsciousdoula planned VBAC should be the norm (87%) actual rate is 9% (2007) #ican2011
Add this information to your notebooks in case you need to make the case for VBAC to a doctor, a nurse, a hospital administrator, or a friend.

tiffrobyn A 41 week pregnancy is not only normal, it is AVERAGE! #ICAN2011
Like . . . duh.  Why have care providers forgotten that?  Well, statistically that may not be the exact average for all childbearing groups (i.e. primip vs. multip), but it’s absolutely ridiculous to pressure a woman into inducing at 41 weeks.  Some providers will start pressuring you at 39 weeks, especially if you let them anywhere near your cervix!

bbybirthingmama WHO Recommends no more than 10% induction rate. I didn’t know that. #ICAN2011 BUT poderyparto US induction rate 2005: 47% (babydickey tweeted 41%) of women planning vaginal birth! #ICAN2011 #CAM2011

shedenka So hospitals and docs tell ALL women “you can’t eat/drink” during labor. Total CYA: aspiration risk is 3.2 women out of 10 million #ICAN2011

nashvillebirth Henci Goer makes my head hurt in a good way. She always melts my face off. #ICAN2011
*Giggle*  This really made me smile.  I love having my brain hurt in a good way.  It’s invigorating!!

bbybirthingmama Early Cord Clamping can take up to 40% of newborns blood volume! #ICAN2011
I had no idea!  All of my babies have had their cords clamped immediately.  I will definitely add this to my notebook – I had decided a while back that I wanted delayed cord clamping.  I know it’s not really a strange thing to ask of a CPM but may be strange for an OB.

anderzoid Henci Goer still on ineffective & HARMFUL practices: Care by an OB for LOW-risk & MODERATE-risk women #ican2011
This point was made by a NYC OB in “The Business of Being Born.”  It’s overkill, and generally speaking, normal birth just isn’t exciting enough for them.  Plus, most of them have never seen a normal birth – especially the younger OBs.

anderzoid: #ICAN2011 #ppdchat Henci Goer: it’s hard to get #PTSD on radar bc TRAUMA is centered in Institution. DEPRESSION is centered in women.
This is a very interesting statement and one that I’d like to have fleshed out for me.  I can almost grasp it but not quite.  I will say that people seem to be aware of PPD and acknowledge it but are less able to grasp PTSD as it relates to childbirth (or pregnancy loss).

Want to read more conference hi-lights?  Here is part 2 and part 1 of my Impactful Tweets “coverage.”

DH & I have a big to do list for the weekend, so I don’t know how thorough future posts will be.  Enjoy the weekend!

EDITED to add “Birthing Beautiful Ideas’s” wrap-up of the day’s presentations at the ICAN 2011 Conference.  Have a look!